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Helias De La Fleche1,2
M, #4802, Deceased, d. 11 July 1110
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Parents
| Father | Jean De Baugency |
| Mother | Paula Unknown |
Family: Mathilde Unknown (d. March 1099)
| Daughter | Eremburge De La Fleche+ (d. 1126) |
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| Marriage | Helias De La Fleche and Mathilde Unknown were married.2,1 |
| Residence | He resided Elias I (also Hélie or Élie; died 11 July 1110 ), called de la Flèche or de Baugency, was the Count of Maine from 1093 . He was the son of the lord of La Flèche , John de Beaugency , and Paula, daughter of Herbert I of Maine . In 1093, when his cousin Hugh V died, he inherited Maine. With the support of Fulk IV of Anjou , he continued the war with Robert III of Normandy . After Robert's departure with the First Crusade , Elias made peace with William Rufus , Robert's regent in Normandy. Elias married Matilda, daughter of Gervais, Lord of Château-du-Loir . Their daughter, Eremburg, married Fulk V of Anjou . In 1109 , Elias remarried to Agnes, the daughter of William VIII of Aquitaine and repudiated wife of Alfonso VI of Castile .1 |
| User Reference Number | He; 18825 |
| His wife Mathilde Unknown died in March 1099. | |
| Death | He died on 11 July 1110.2,1 |
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Ellen Williams
F, #4803, Deceased
| Consanguinity | Partner of Samuel Alfred Thomas (1st cousin 2 times removed of Adrian John Snelson) |
Parents
| Father | William Williams |
Family: Samuel Alfred Thomas (b. 22 May 1870)
| Son | Evan Thomas (b. about 1897) |
| Daughter | Maggie Thomas (b. about 1898) |
| Son | Richard Thomas (b. 1899) |
| Son | William Thomas (b. about 1905) |
| Person References | Descendents of William Snelson c.1670 William Snelston bef 1668 - aft 1707 |
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| User Reference Number | Ellen Williams; 23963 |
| Marriage | Ellen Williams and Samuel Alfred Thomas were married on 26 March 1894 in Llanbeblig, Caernarvon. |
| Her son Evan Thomas was born about 1897 in Caernarvonn. | |
| Her daughter Maggie Thomas was born about 1898 in Caernarvonn. | |
| Her son Richard Thomas was born in 1899 in Holyhead, Anglesey. | |
| Her son William Thomas was born about 1905 in Holyhead, Anglesey. |
Census
| Label and Year | Manual |
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| Census 1901 | Ellen Williams Id #4,803 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1901 at Holyhead, Anglesey, Wales; Address: 3 Gilbert Street This a bit of a mystery, as she is Samuel Alfred Thomas' own mother. Very strange. Principal Role Witness Role: Head of Household Witness Role: wife Original Documents, Source and Citations here  |
| Census 1911 | Ellen Williams Id #4,803 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1911 at Holyhead, Anglesey; Address: 3 Gilbert Street 5 rooms Principal Role Witness Role: Head of Household Witness Role: wife Original Documents, Source and Citations here |
Unknown Unknown1
F, #4811, Deceased
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Family: Pepin Unknown (b. about 815, d. about 840)
| Son | Bernard Unknown+ (b. about 844, d. after 893) |
| Son | Herbert I Unknown+ (b. 850, d. 907) |
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| Also Known As | Unknown Unknown was also known as Unknown Unknown. |
| Birth | She was born Person Source, Y.2 |
| Death | She died Y Y, Y.1 |
| User Reference Number | She; 18700 |
| Marriage | Unknown Unknown and Pepin Unknown were married about 838.3,1 |
| Her husband Pepin Unknown died about 840 in Milan, Italy. | |
| Her son Bernard Unknown was born about 844. | |
| Her son Herbert I Unknown was born in 850. |
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Agatha Yaroslavna1,2
F, #4820, Deceased, d. 13 July 1024
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Parents
| Father | Yaroslav I Unknown (b. about 978, d. 20 February 1054) |
| Mother | Ingegerd (Irene) Unknown (b. 1001, d. 10 February 1049) |
Family: Edward Atheling (d. 1057)
| Daughter | Margaret Atheling+ (b. about 1044, d. 16 November 1093) |
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| Also Known As | Agatha Yaroslavna was also known as Agatha Atheling. |
| Birth | She was born Person Source, Y.3 |
| Residence | She resided See notes.1 |
| User Reference Number | She; 18575 |
| Note | Event Memos from GEDCOM Import... Residence Agatha was the wife of Edward the Exile (heir to the throne of England) and mother of Edgar Ætheling, Saint Margaret of Scotland and Cristina of England. Nothing is known of her early life, and what speculation has appeared is inextricably linked to the contentious issue of Agatha's paternity, one of the unresolved questions of medieval genealogy. She came to England with her husband and children in 1057, but she was widowed within weeks of arriving. In 1067, following the Norman conquest of England, she fled with her children to Scotland, finding refuge under Malcolm III, who would become her son-in-law. Her later fate, as well as the date of her death, are not recorded. Agatha's origin is alluded to in numerous surviving medieval sources, but the information they provide is sometimes imprecise, often contradictory, and occasionally outright impossible. The earliest surviving source, the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, along with Florence of Worcester's Chronicon ex chronicis and Regalis prosapia Anglorum, Simeon of Durham and Ailred of Rievaulx describe Agatha as a kinswoman of 'Emperor Henry' (thaes ceseres maga, filia germani imperatoris Henrici). In an earlier entry, the same Ailred of Rievaulx had called her daughter of emperor Henry, as do later sources of dubious credibility such as the Chronicle of Melrose Abbey, while Matthew of Paris calls her the emperor's sister (soror Henrici imperatoris Romani). Geoffrey Gaimar in Lestoire des Engles states that she was daughter of the Hungarian king and queen (Li reis sa fille), although he places the marriage at a time when Edward is thought still to have been in Kiev, while Orderic Vitalis in Historiae Ecclesiasticae is more specific, naming her father as king Solomon (filiam Salomonis Regis Hunorum), actually a contemporary of Agatha's children. William of Malmesbury in De Gestis Regis Anglorum states that Agatha's sister was a Queen of Hungary (reginae sororem) and is echoed in this by Alberic of Trois-Fontaines, while less precisely, Ailred says of Margaret that she was derived from English and Hungarian royal blood (de semine regio Anglorum et Hungariorum extitit oriunda). Finally, Roger of Howden and the anonymous Leges Edwardi Confessoris indicate that while Edward was a guest of Kievan 'king Malesclodus' he married a woman of noble birth (nobili progenio), Leges adding that the mother of St. Margaret was of Russian royal blood (ex genere et sanguine regum Rugorum). While various sources repeat the claims that Agatha was daughter or sister of either Emperor Henry, it seems unlikely that such a sibling or daughter would have been ignored by the German chroniclers. The description of Agatha as a blood relative of 'Emperor Henry' may be applicable to a niece of either Henry II or Henry III, Holy Roman Emperors (although Florence, in Regalis prosapia Anglorum specifies Henry III). Early attempts at reconstructing the relationship focussed on the former. Georgio Pray (1764, Annales Regum Hungariae), O.F. Suhm (1777, Geschichte Dänmarks, Norwegen und Holsteins) and Istvan Katona (1779, Historia Critica Regum Hungariae) each suggested that Agatha was daughter of Henry II's brother Bruno of Augsburg (an ecclesiastic described as beatae memoriae, with no known issue), while Daniel Cornides (1778, Regum Hungariae) tried to harmonize the German and Hungarian claims, making Agatha daughter of Henry II's sister Giselle of Bavaria, wife of Stephen I of Hungary. This solution remained popular among scholars through a good part of 20th century. Although it's tempting to view St. Margaret as a granddaughter of another famous saint, Stephen of Hungary, this popular solution fails to explain why Stephen's death triggered a dynastic crisis in Hungary. If St. Stephen and Giselle were indeed Agatha's parents, her offspring should have succeeded to the Hungarian crown and the dynastic strife could have been averted. Actually, there is no indication in Hungarian sources that any of Stephen's children outlived him. Likewise, all of the solutions involving Henry II would seem to make Agatha much older than her husband, and prohibitively old at the time of the birth of her son, Edgar. Based on a more strict translation of the Latin description used by Florence and others as well as the supposition that Henry III was the Emperor designated in the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle, prominent genealogist Szabolcs de Vajay popularized another idea first suggested in 1939. He hypothesized that Agatha was the daughter of Henry III's elder (uterine) half-brother, Liudolf, Margrave of West Friesland. This theory was endorsed in the academic mainstream for thirty years until René Jetté proposed a Kievan solution to the problem, since which time opinion has been divided. Jetté pointed out that William of Malmesbury in De Gestis Regis Anglorum and several later chronicles unambigously state that Agatha's sister was a Queen of Hungary. From what we know about the biography of Edward the Exile, he loyally supported Andrew I of Hungary, following him from Kiev to Hungary in 1046 and staying at his court for many years. Andrew's wife and queen was Anastasia, a daughter of Yaroslav the Wise of Kiev by Ingigerd of Sweden. Following Jetté's logic, Edward's wife was another daughter of Yaroslav. This theory accords with the seemingly incongruous statements of Geoffrey Gaimar and Roger of Howden that, while living in Kiev, Edward took a nativeborn wife 'of noble parentage' or that his father-in-law was a 'Russian king'. Jetté's theory seems to be supported by an onomastic argument. Among the medieval royalty, Agatha's rare Greek name is first recorded in the Macedonian dynasty of Byzantium; it was also one of the most frequent feminine names in the Kievan Rurikid dynasty. After Anna of Byzantium married Yaroslav's father, he took the Christian name of the reigning emperor, Basil II, while some members of his family were named after other members of the imperial dynasty. Agatha could have been one of these. The names of Agatha's immediate descendants — Margaret, Cristina, David, Alexander — were likewise extraordinary for Anglo-Saxon Britain. They may provide a clue to Agatha's origin. The names Margaret and Cristina are today associated with Sweden, the native country of Yaroslav's wife Ingigerd. The name of Margaret's son, David, obviously echoes that of Solomon, the son and heir of Andrew I. Furthermore, the first Russian saint (canonized ca. 1073) was Yaroslav's brother Gleb, whose Christian name was David. The name of Margaret's other son, Alexander, may point to a variety of traditions, both occidental and oriental: the biography of Alexander the Great was one of the most popular books in 11th-century Kiev. One inference from the Kievan theory is that Edgar Atheling and St. Margaret were, through their mother, first cousins of Philip I of France. The connection is too notable to be omitted from contemporary sources, yet we have no indication that medieval chroniclers were aware of it. The argumentum ex silentio lead critics of the Kievan theory to search for alternative explanations. One of the latest theories was proposed by Ian Mladjov. Dismissing the Kievan theory as untenable, he speculates that Agatha was daughter of Gavril Radomir, Tsar of Bulgaria by his wife, a Hungarian princess, in turn the daughter of Géza. This hypothesis would have Agatha born in Hungary after her parents divorced, her mother being pregnant when she left Bulgaria after a brief marriage to Gavril. The argument revolves around the tenuous idea that Gavril's own mother was also named Agatha. The weak side of the Bulgarian theory is chronology. The brief alliance of Géza's daughter with Gavril is usually dated to 987. That would make Agatha approximately fifteen years older than her husband, on the most optimistic estimate. At the time of Edgar's birth, her age would exceed 75 years, which is not realistic at all. |
| Birth | She was born about 1018.1 |
| Death | She died on 13 July 1024.1 |
| Marriage | Agatha Yaroslavna and Edward Atheling were married in 1035 in London, England.2,1 |
| Her daughter Margaret Atheling was born about 1044 in Hungary. | |
| Her mother Ingegerd (Irene) Unknown died on 10 February 1049. | |
| Her father Yaroslav I Unknown died on 20 February 1054. | |
| Her husband Edward Atheling died in 1057. |
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Charles Henry Clothier
M, #4821, Deceased, b. 24 March 1875
| Consanguinity | 1st cousin 2 times removed of Adrian John Snelson |
Parents
| Father | George Clothier (b. 1841, d. 1924) |
| Mother | Hannah Benyon (b. about July 1840, d. 6 October 1912) |
Family: Maria Salter (b. 27 February 1876, d. 28 April 1948)
| Person References | Anne Jones George Benyon 1783-1850 |
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| Nickname | Charles Henry Clothier; Harry |
| User Reference Number | He; 23703 |
| Birth | He was born on 24 March 1875 in Pimlico, London, England. |
| Baptism | He was baptised on 25 April 1875 in St. Peters, Eaton Square, Pimlico. |
| Occupation | He was a solicitor's clerk in 1901. |
| His mother Hannah Benyon died on 6 October 1912 in Hanover Square, London. | |
| Marriage | Charles Henry Clothier and Maria Salter were married on 15 September 1913 in St George Hanover Square, London, Address: London. |
| His father George Clothier died in 1924. | |
| His wife Maria Salter died on 28 April 1948 in Merton, Surry, England. |
Census
| Label and Year | Manual |
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| Census 1901 | Charles Henry Clothier Id #4,821 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1901 at St George Hanover Square, London; Address: 6, Worcester Street Witness Role: Original Documents, Source and Citations here |
| Census 1939 | Charles Henry Clothier Id #4,821 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1939 at Southfields, Wandsworth, London, England; Address: 105 Standen Road clerk, Port of London Authority Original Documents, Source and Citations here |