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Saer de Quincy1,2
M, #5301, Deceased, b. 1155, d. 3 November 1219
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Parents
| Father | Robert de Quincy (b. 1125, d. 1192) |
| Mother | Orabilis de Mar (d. before 30 June 1203) |
Family: Margaret de Beaumont (b. about 1155, d. 12 January 1235)
| Daughter | Hawise de Quincy+ |
| Son | Roger de Quincy+ (d. 25 April 1264) |
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| Residence | Saer de Quincy resided See notes.1 |
| User Reference Number | He; 19504 |
| Note | Event Memos from GEDCOM Import... Residence Saer de Quincy, 1st Earl of Winchester (1155 – Nov 3, 1219) was one of the leaders of the baronial rebellion against King John of England, and a major figure in both Scotland and England in the decades around the turn of the twelfth and thirteenth centuries. The rise of Saer, the Lord of Leuchars, to prominence in England came through his marriage before 1173 to Margaret, the younger sister of Robert de Beaumont, 4th Earl of Leicester and—surely no coincidence—the de Quincys' Fife neighbour, Roger de Beaumont, Bishop of St Andrews. In 1204, Earl Robert died, leaving Margaret as co-heiress of the vast earldom along with her elder sister. The estate was split in half, and after the final division was ratified in 1207, de Quincy was made Earl of Winchester. Following his marriage, de Quincy became a prominent military and diplomatic figure in England. He seems to have owed his importance to his personal status and connections rather than any close alliance with King John. One man with whom he does seem to have developed a close personal relationship is his cousin, Robert Fitzwalter, another grandson of Maud of St Liz by her first husband Robert Fitz Richard. They are first found together in 1203, as co-commanders of the garrison at the major fortress of Vaudreuil in Normandy; they were responsible for surrendering the castle without a fight to Philip II of France, fatally weakening the English position in northern France, but although popular opinion seems to have blamed them for the capitulation, a royal writ is extant stating that the castle was surrendered at King John's command, and both Saer and Fitzwalter had to endure personal humiliation and heavy ransoms at the hands of the French. In Scotland, he was perhaps more successful. In 1211-12, the Earl of Winchester commanded an imposing retinue of a hundred knights and a hundred serjeants in William the Lion's campaign against the Mac William rebels, a force which some historians have suggested may have been the mercenary force from Brabant lent to the campaign by John. In 1215, when the baronial rebellion broke out, Robert Fitzwalter became the military commander, and the Earl of Winchester joined him, acting as one of the chief negotiators with John; both cousins were among the 25 guarantors of the Magna Carta. De Quincy fought against John in the troubles that followed the signing of the Charter, and, again with Fitzwalter, travelled to France to invite Prince Louis of France to take the English throne. He and Fitzwalter were subsequently among the most committed and prominent supporters of Louis' candidature for the kingship, against both John and the infant Henry III. When military defeat cleared the way for Henry III to take the throne, de Quincy went on crusade, perhaps in fulfillment of an earlier vow, and in 1219 he left to join the Fifth Crusade, then besieging Damietta. While in the east, he fell sick and died. He was buried in Acre, the capital of the Kingdom of Jerusalem, rather than in Egypt, and his heart was brought back and interred at Garendon Abbey near Loughborough, a house endowed by his wife's family. The family of de Quincy had arrived in England after the Norman Conquest, and took their name from Cuinchy in the Arrondissement of Béthune; the personal name 'Saer' was used by them over several generations. Both names are variously spelled in primary sources and older modern works, the first name being sometimes rendered Saher or Seer, and the surname as Quency or Quenci. The first recorded Saer de Quincy (known to historians as 'Saer I') was lord of the manor of Long Buckby in Northamptonshire in the earlier twelfth century, and second husband of Matilda of St Liz, stepdaughter of King David I of Scotland. Their marriage produced two sons, Saer II and Robert de Quincy. It was Robert, the younger son, who was the father of the Saer de Quincy who eventually became Earl of Winchester. Robert de Quincy seems to have inherited no English lands from his father, and pursued a knightly career in Scotland, where he is recorded from around 1160 as a close companion of his cousin, King William the Lion. By 1170 he had married Orabilis, heiress of the Scottish lordship of Leuchars and, through her, he became lord of an extensive complex of estates north of the border which included lands in Fife, Strathearn and Lothian. Saer de Quincy, the son of Robert de Quincy and Orabilis de Mar, was raised largely in Scotland. His absence from English records for the first decades of his life has led some modern historians to confuse him with his uncle, Saer II, who took part in the rebellion of Henry the Young King in 1173, when the future Earl of Winchester can have been no more than a toddler. Saer II's line ended without direct heirs, and his nephew and namesake would eventually inherit his estate, uniting his primary Scottish holdings with the family's Northamptonshire patrimony, and possibly some lands in France. By his wife Margaret de Beaumont, Saer de Quincy had three sons and three daughters: * Lorette who married Sir William de Valognes * Arabella who married Sir Richard Harcourt * Robert (d. 1217). Some sources say he married Hawise, sister and co-heiress of Ranulf de Blundeville, earl of Chester. However, it is more likely Hawise married Saer's brother Robert II; * Roger, who succeeded his father as earl of Winchester (though he did not take formal possession of the earldom until after his mother's death); * Robert de Quincy (second son of that name; d. 1257) who married Helen, daughter of the Welsh prince Llywelyn the Great; * Hawise, who married Hugh de Vere, 4th Earl of Oxford. |
| Birth | He was born in 1155.2,1 |
| Marriage | Saer de Quincy and Margaret de Beaumont were married about 1173.2,1 |
| His father Robert de Quincy died in 1192. | |
| His mother Orabilis de Mar died before 30 June 1203. | |
| Death | Saer de Quincy died on 3 November 1219, at age ~64.2,1 |
| His wife Margaret de Beaumont died on 12 January 1235. |
Citations
Alice Whipp
F, #5302, Deceased, b. 25 September 1910
| Consanguinity | Partner of William Henry Mutch (3rd cousin 1 time removed of Adrian John Snelson) |
Parents
| Father | George William Whipp (b. about 1859) |
| Mother | Mary Ellen Unknown (b. about 1877) |
Family: William Henry Mutch (b. 10 October 1904, d. 10 May 1973)
Main Events
| User Reference Number | Alice Whipp; 24663 |
| Birth | She was born on 25 September 1910. |
| Marriage | Alice Whipp and William Henry Mutch were married about July 1934 in Rochdale. |
| Her husband William Henry Mutch died on 10 May 1973 in Wardle, Rochdale, Lancashire, England. |
Census
| Label and Year | Manual |
|---|---|
| Census 1911 | Alice Whipp Id #5,302 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1911 at 2 Arm Road Dearnley Nr Rochdale; [[Witness Role: daughter]]
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Alice De Plumpton1
F, #5311, Deceased, d. after 21 March 1399
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Parents
| Father | William De Plumpton (d. 1362) |
| Mother | Christianna D'aubigny de Mowbray (d. 25 December 1362) |
Family: John le Boteler (d. 1400)
| Daughter | Elizabeth le Boteler+ |
Main Events
| Also Known As | Alice De Plumpton was also known as Alice le Boteler. |
| Birth | She was born Person Source, Y.2 |
| Marriage | Alice De Plumpton and John le Boteler were married.1 |
| User Reference Number | She; 19379 |
| Birth | She was born about 1338.1 |
| Her father William De Plumpton died in 1362. | |
| Her mother Christianna D'aubigny de Mowbray died on 25 December 1362. | |
| Death | Alice De Plumpton died after 21 March 1399.1 |
| Her husband John le Boteler died in 1400. |
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Elizabeth Unknown1
F, #5321, Deceased
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Family: Robert De Draycote Beke (d. after 4 March 1329)
| Son | Robert Beke+ (d. 1346) |
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| Also Known As | Elizabeth Unknown was also known as Elizabeth Beke. |
| Birth | She was born Person Source, Y.2 |
| Marriage | Elizabeth Unknown and Robert De Draycote Beke were married.1 |
| Death | She died Y Y, Y.1 |
| User Reference Number | She; 19254 |
| Birth | She was born about 1270.1 |
| Her husband Robert De Draycote Beke died after 4 March 1329. |
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David Frank Littlemore
M, #5322, Deceased, b. 1948, d. 2003
| Consanguinity | 4th cousin 1 time removed of Adrian John Snelson |
Parents
| Father | Frank Littlemore (b. 1926, d. 1984) |
| Mother | Elizabeth Florence Critchley (b. 1926, d. 2014) |
| Person References | Alice Lawton c1750 - George Critchley c1716 - 1756 Margaret Wellesbey c1750 - Thomas Mollyneux |
Main Events
| User Reference Number | David Frank Littlemore; 24401 |
| Birth | He was born in 1948. |
| His father Frank Littlemore died in 1984. | |
| Death | David Frank Littlemore died in 2003, at age ~55. |
| His mother Elizabeth Florence Critchley died in 2014. |