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Simon de Montfort, III1

M, #21905, Deceased, d. 13 March 1181
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Parents

FatherAmaury de Montfort, III (b. about 1070, d. 1137)
MotherAgnes Unknown (d. 1181)

Family: Mahaut Unknown

SonSimon IV Unknown+ (d. before June 1188)
DaughterMrs. Bertrade de Montfort-l'Amauri+ (b. 1155, d. 1227)

Main Events

BirthSimon de Montfort, III, was born Person Source, Y.2
User Reference NumberHe; 18564
His wife Mahaut Unknown died.
BirthHe was born about 1117 in Montfort-Sur-Ris, France.1
His father Amaury de Montfort, III, died in 1137.
MarriageSimon de Montfort, III, and Mahaut Unknown were married about 1150 in France.1
His daughter Mrs. Bertrade de Montfort-l'Amauri was born in 1155 in Cheshire, England.
His mother Agnes Unknown died in 1181.
DeathHe died on 13 March 1181.1

Citations

  1. [S1016] According to Otto Hirzell
  2. [S1020] Darrin Lythgoe's Genealogy

Margery Thornton1,2

F, #21914, Deceased, b. about 1181
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Parents

Family: William Brereton (b. about 1180)

SonRalph Brereton+ (b. about 1224, d. 1280)

Main Events

Also Known AsMargery Thornton was also known as Margery Brereton.
MarriageMargery Thornton and William Brereton were married.2,1
DeathShe died Y Y, Y.1
User Reference NumberShe; 18419
Her husband William Brereton died.
BirthShe was born about 1181 in Cheshire, England.1
Her son Ralph Brereton was born about 1224 in Preston, Lancashire, England.

Citations

  1. [S1016] According to Otto Hirzell
  2. [S1020] Darrin Lythgoe's Genealogy

George Lord D'Alby

M, #21915, Deceased, b. 24 November 1891, d. 24 August 1967
ConsanguinityPartner of Catherine Jean Snelson (2nd cousin 1 time removed of Adrian John Snelson)
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Parents

FatherJames Christopher D. Dalby (b. about 1839, d. about 1900)
MotherJane Wilson (b. about 1861)

Family 1: Elizabeth Georgina Harvey (b. 28 December 1898, d. 28 December 1998)

Family 2: Catherine Jean Snelson (b. 26 November 1929, d. 25 March 2016)

Person ReferencesDescendents of William Snelson c.1670
William Snelston bef 1668 - aft 1707

Main Events

Also Known AsGeorge Lord D'Alby was also known as Tramp Royal.
Also Known AsHe was also known as Jon Jinnipen.
Also Known AsHe was also known as Edward Harvey.
Also Known AsHe was also known as George Dalby.
MarriageGeorge Lord D'Alby and Catherine Jean Snelson were married.
_STATHe; Catherine Jean Snelson; Unmarried Couple
NoteI can find no evidence of a Marriage between Catherine Jane Snelson and George Lord Dalby. My guess is that the relationship probably took place between mid 1949 and mid 1950.
BiographyThis is a complex set of circumstances so I hope I have the story correctly. Whereas the facts are on the public record, I could not have connected parts of the story I had gathered without the help of his son Christopher Edward Edge.

As I understand it, George used several names throughout his life. His relationships are therfore not easy to follow, to document nor to publish as there are sensitive matters here.

It is known that he changed his name by deed poll to Edward Harvey, however I was not aware of that until advised by Chris Edge, his son. I find that quite odd, as the Q4 1955 Marriage Register shows "Edge William G married Snelson or Harvey in The Wirral"

I also understand that at various times he called himself Matt Marshall and Tramp Royal and was known as "Jon Jinnipen" in some circles.

He was just over 6 feet tall, blue eyes and dark hair. In 1918 he described himself as an "artists and designer".

With regard to military service, there are a few anomalies in the sequence of events but I have found that he was "enlisted" into the Army on 22 July 1916. He was "examined" on 3 June 1917 aged 25 years. Evidently, he wore glasses and had a squint in his left eye. From sometime in 1916 to 22 February 1917 he had been "a patient" in Liverpool Consumption Hospital. He was "called up" in May 1917 and 4 days later ended up in hospital. He was discharged (of good character) as being permanently unfit on 28 February 1918 - and I think that this was because he had TB - which explains why he had been in Liverpool Consumption Hospital - although his eyesight may also have been an issue.

There is more information about George in the story of Catherine Jean Snelson [23549].

I have no information on the whether there were any other children or family with his wife Elizabeth Harvey or any other relationship. Secondly, I have no information now on why his middle name is "Lord". Lastly, I am unaware of any ongoing contact he may have had with Catherine and her family.

Liverpool University has some of George Lord Dalby's letters related to others in the literary world. Evidemtly some of his published material appears in "The Gypsy Lore Society" books the Copyright of which is held by his son Chris being the only known descendant.
User Reference NumberHe; 23550
BirthHe was born on 24 November 1891 in West Derby, Liverpool.
BaptismHe was baptised on 18 January 1892 in St Peter's, Liverpool, He is named as Lord George Dalby. The address given is Mulberry Street, Liverpool. His father James Dalby is said to be a printer. The date of birth is shown as in the previous year, 1891 on 24th November. The surname quite clearly is written as "Dalby".
His father James Christopher D. Dalby died about 1900.
OccupationGeorge Lord D'Alby was an Address: 3/11 Stanhope Street, Ventriloquist in Toxteth, Liverpool, in 1911.
OccupationHe was a doll manufacturer in 1916.
Milit-EndHe was discharged from the armed forces on 21 March 1918 in Woking. He was in the Royal Medical Corps, Private 120190, and was dischatged with a good character as being physically unfit for service. He was discharged as having tuberculosis. His home address is given as 21a St James Street, Liverpool.

He was entitled to the "War Badge" and is listed in those with that award.
OccupationHe was a His occupation is further described as ""designing window displays & advert work"., Commercial Artist in 27 Warren Street, Liverpool, in 1921.
MarriageGeorge Lord D'Alby and Elizabeth Georgina Harvey were married about October 1922 in Liverpool.
OccupationHe was a Commercial Artist and Ventriloquist in 1939.
RelationshipHe; about 1949; [[Witness Role: Partner]]
NamechangeGeorge Lord's name was changed to Edward Harvey in 1951.
DeathHe died on 24 August 1967, at age 75, in Liverpool.
His wife Elizabeth Georgina Harvey died on 28 December 1998 in North Dorset, Dorset, England.
His wife Catherine Jean Snelson died on 25 March 2016 in Calne, Swindon, Wiltshire.

Census

Label and YearManual
Census 1901George Lord D'Alby Id #21,915 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1901 at Potternewton, Leeds, Yorkshire; Address: 51 Bexley Terrace

Witness Role: Son

Original Documents, Source and Citations here
Census 1911George Lord D'Alby Id #21,915 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1911 at Toxteth, Liverpool; Address: 19 Stanhope Street

Principal Role

Original Documents, Source and Citations here
Census 1921George Lord D'Alby Id #21,915 (Principal) was at home on Census night 19 June 1921 at 27A, St James Place, Toxteth Park, Liverpool

Original Documents, Source and Citations here
Census 1939George Lord D'Alby Id #21,915 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1939 at Low Hill, Liverpool, Lancashire, England; Address: 2A Phythian Street

Note : This is very strange indeed. The original entry in the register has been changed in manuscript - crossing out the original pair George D'Alby and Elizabeth G. D'Alby and replacing them with Edward Harvey and Elizabeth G. Harvey and/or Taylor. All the other data has been left untouched as for the originals. I now understand from Chris Edge that NR230 is a Government Circular about name changes. HNA is the directory identification for Liverpool. The date is when the name was actually changed.

Somewhere in the past, I have a record of this George D'Alby marrying Catherine Snelson dau of Edward Snelson and Miss McMullen - but this has been lost in my archives (ha - shoeboxes), so I can provide no more information. I no longer have any confidence that they were ever actually married.

Original Documents, Source and Citations here

Minnie Mary Ann Harding1

F, #21924, Deceased, b. December 1864, d. 1896
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Parents

FatherWilliam Harding (b. 1820, d. 1868)
MotherCaroline Hall (b. 14 November 1823, d. 1869)

Family: Michael Joseph Hearn (b. about 1863, d. about 1921)

DaughterDaisy Hearn
DaughterMinnie Hearn
SonCharles Joseph Hearn+ (b. 15 December 1886)

Main Events

Also Known AsMinnie Mary Ann Harding was also known as Minnie Mary Ann Hearn.
User Reference NumberShe; 23399
BirthShe was born in December 1864 in Brighton, Sussex [2].
ChristeningMinnie Mary Ann was christened on 4 January 1865 in Brighton, Sussex [2].
Her father William Harding died in 1868 in Brighton [2].
Her mother Caroline Hall died in 1869 in Brighton [2].
MarriageMinnie Mary Ann Harding and Michael Joseph Hearn were married on 4 July 1886 in Hammersmith, London, Address: St Paul.
Her son Charles Joseph Hearn was born on 15 December 1886 in Battersea, Surrey.
DeathShe died in 1896, at age ~32, in Kensington, London [2].
Her husband Michael Joseph Hearn died about 1921 in Kensington, London [2].

Census

Label and YearManual
Census 1891Minnie Mary Ann Harding Id #21,924 (Principal) was at home on Census night 1891 at Dendy Street, Wandsworth; [[Witness Role: Wife]]

Original Documents, Source and Citations here

Citations

  1. [S1523] File (merged): C:UsersJohn SnelsonDocumentsFamily Historian ProjectsJane Hearn Export 5 April 2016Jane Hearn Export 5 April 2016.fh_dataJane Hearn Export 5 April 2016.ged